Friday, November 10, 2017

My respond to Donald who is Mormon


Part 1

D. //Homoousios has also been defined "of the same nature," and if we accept this definition, then we see a social trinity of three perfect beings - God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost - working in perfect concert with each other, but each physically distinct. "Consubstantial" suggests the three are one being.//

M. Lets first look at this above it all, because it is an important misunderstanding and misconception that many non Trinitarians have.

To better understand the Catholic Teaching on the Holy Trinity we need to know the difference between Nature and Person.

Nature is what we are and person is who we are,
Nature is the source of what we are, person is what possesses the nature.

“NATURE answers the question—WHAT we are; PERSON answers the question—WHO we are. Every being has a nature; of every being we may properly ask, What is it? But not every being is a person: only rational beings are persons. We could not properly ask of a stone or a potato or an oyster, Who is it?” Theology and Sanity, part 6, page 92.

Mormonism and Oneness Pentecostals distort the image of who God is. Mormonism together with JWs separate the divinity of God and the Oneness Pentecostal unite God into one being which many Mormons think trinitarians do.

What my understanding of Mormon teachings on God is that they are three separate beings and thus it separates God into three gods who are only united in will, knowledge and purpose. If each is a distinct being, then what is it that one has and the other lacks. If the answer is nothing then they are the same being. If the answer is something then None are a supreme being which is by definition what God is.

What did the Council mean by using Homoousios? Well of course we know that they meant consubstantial since they rejected three different beings but used the word for "of the same nature" to represent that nothing was missing between the three persons.

The council thus was right in giving us the word homoousios. Yes it was a word that was used for the first time in history and It was so because there was not a word that was able to describe the relationship between Jesus Christ and God the Father. The Arians, were condemned at Nicaea, because they held that Christ was "divine" only in the sense that he was from God, and therefore like God, but not that he was literally "God from God, one in being with the Father."

Because of homoousios we have the Oneness of God, but not in the way it is taught in the Oneness Pentecostal nor Unitarian movements. We are different than God in our nature and we are not equal to Him in any way. Yes we are made in His image and likeness but this does not equate us to Him.

I believe because of this misunderstanding that Mormonism puts human aspects into who God is, thus you give Him a physical body which is not so. God is Spirit and in this we can not fully comprehend what it is to be spirit alone.

Scripture shows us this of what Spirit is, first it says this, “God is Spirit" (John 4:24), then it says, Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Handle me and see, FOR A SPIRIT does NOT have flesh and bones as you see I have (Luke 24:39). The d&c 22 states, “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.”

D&C is incorrect about the Spiritual part of life. Why is it that the Holy Spirit can be without flesh and bones and not the Father? As a matter of fact in the upper room where our Lord Jesus Christ appeared to the Apostles, Jesus Christ appeared in the room when everything was in lockdown.  In John's Gospel we see that the doors were shut and in Luke's Gospel we see that Jesus Christ has His resurrected body which was of flesh and bones.

EX nihilo is not taught in the Mormon church because it believes in a physical matter that preexisted and it has no scientific basis for evidence, which again is a human aspect and not a spiritual one, not everything has a physical matter. And God being God can do things we can not fully understand, such as ex-nihilo, which means create out of nothing.

God being who He is, that is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is a mystery in which we can come to some understanding of the Truth but never into its fullest. Thus when it comes to the Spiritual aspects of God, we can not give Him human aspects.  
The Spiritual life can not be fully understood by our finite minds. Mormonism, to me, is wanting to say they know this of God, which I can not accept to be so because to know God in His fullness is not possible because He is a mystery. A mystery in which we can know, but never in its fullest.

Again it is in their Nature that He is One as Humanity's nature is one.

D. //I have a problem with homoousios, often translated as "consubstantial" or "of the same substance," because (1) I think Constantine's addition of the word in the original Creed of Nicaea actually made it more difficult to define the Saviour's relationship with His Father and (2) that fact alone has caused the Creed of Nicaea and the creeds that followed it to be interpreted too many ways.//

M. Firstly, let's get one thing correct, 1. Constantine had nothing to do with adding things to the Nicene Creed, the only two things he did was call for a council (and the Church took care of the rest). 2. And he signed the Edict of Milan, which made it legal to practice Christianity and ordered that the Christians’ confiscated property be returned to them.

Secondly, Homoousios, in Christianity is the key term of the Christological doctrine formulated at the first ecumenical council, at Nicaea in 325, to affirm that God the Son and God the Father are of the same substance. It did not give any leeway of interpreting it any other way. I believe this to be True because God is One and not three individuos beings as many (even some Catholics and Protestants) misunderstand and I believe that Joseph Smith had a misunderstanding of this Teaching as well.

I believe Homoousios made it better to understand the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

What do we mean by One in being or consubstantial is that, His Divine Nature is One as Humanity's nature is one. No other human exists, as to no other Divine exists.

The being or the essence or nature or substance of God is His is-ness, the source of everything both visible and invisible.  I can agree with Mormons on God being One in His propess and knowledge, but if that is all that He is One in, then everything that Jesus Christ has done is meaningless because no mere creature can do what Jesus Christ has done and it makes Jesus into a creation of God and thus a separate being from what God is and so you have Two gods and not One, which is what Mormonism does to the Godhead. If God is only one in purpose and knowledge and not on being then it is here where it all goes wrong.

I also believe that homoousios better explains the relationship of Love between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The belief that God is only united in purpose is a heresy called Tritheism which popped out in the early 6th century after the heresy of Monophysitism and again in the 17th and then again in 19th century with Mormon belief.

Tritheism
The belief that cosmic divinity is composed of three powerful entities. As generally conceived, three gods are envisioned as having separate domains and spheres of influence that coalesce into an omnipotent whole. In this primary respect, tritheism differs from cosmic dualism, which often posits two divine powers working in theological or spiritual opposition.

Part 2
D. //Jesus made it clear that God is His Father, the Bible shows us they are two distinct personages. This rules out the extreme that homoousios is taken to, which is modalism, but it also tends to support homoiousios (of similar substance) a concept Arius took too far.//

M. Catholics do not deny that God is Jesus’ Father nor that the Son is a distinct Person from the Father and the Holy Spirit. As a matter of fact the Church has always taught the distinctions between the persons of the Trinity and not the being from one another. When we use the word distinction it does not mean separation from the Nature of God.

The Church states, The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father and neither are the Holy Spirit yet in what they are one in is God/Divine.

Modalism is the belief of the Oneness Pentecostal and Unitarian movement, the Jesus only movement. It is a heresy within the Catholic Church and Christianity in general today.

As a matter of fact before the Council of Nicaea it was already being held as a heresy and the Council is what defined this as we know it today. So the word homoousios does not have anything to do with the understanding of Modalism.

Tertullian,
If the number of the Trinity also offends you, as if it were not connected in the simple Unity, I ask you how it is possible for a Being who is merely and absolutely One and Singular, to speak in plural phrase, saying, Let us make man in our own image, and after our own likeness; Genesis 1:26 whereas He ought to have said, Let me make man in my own image, and after my own likeness, as being a unique and singular Being? (Against Praxeas Chapter 12, date between 190-220AD)

Pope Dionysius
"Next, then, I may properly turn to those who divide and cut apart and destroy the monarchy, the most sacred proclamation of the Church of God, making of it, as it were, three powers, distinct substances, and three godheads. I have heard that some of your catechists and teachers of the divine Word take the lead in this tenet. They are, so to speak, diametrically opposed to the opinion of Sabellius. He, in his blasphemy, says that the Son is the Father and vice versa" (Letters of Pope Dionysius to Bishop Dionysius of Alexandria 1:1 [A.D. 262]).

Modalism is also known as Sabellianism or Monarchianism. Praxeas and Sabellius, were early church figures that held this belief.  
As for homoiousios, yes it only states that Jesus Christ is similar to God but not God, which is why the Catholic uses the word homoousios because God is One in the same God/Divinity being/nature.
Monophysitism
The position called monophysitism asserted that in the person of Jesus Christ there was only one, divine nature rather than two natures, divine and human, as asserted at the Council of Chalcedon in 451A.D.

Tuesday, July 25, 2017

My response to a non Trinitarian

My response to a non Trinitarian

Brothers and sisters this here is my responses to a non Trinitarian believer. He claims he is a believer of the Trinity yet with proper read his Apologetic you can see the breaking down of the Trinity. His is response is the color dark green, mine is purple,  the dictionary is maroon, the Bible is red, and the Creeds is blue.  

//Matthew Treviño You have said "begotten" means causes to be.  I have no idea what that means.//

Begotten comes from the Word begat or beget and it means,

be·get\bi-ˈget, bē-\
verb
: to cause (something) to happen or exist
: to become the father of (someone

In saying that God the Father begot the Son it means that the Trinity is self generated which means they have existed, will exist and will always exist, through this Love that He is. Love is a key word here because God is Love.

In another thing you posted, you said Love is an adjective. Well this is False.

Love is actually a noun or it could be a verb and it is who God Truly is. It can not be much simpler said then as it is stated in 1 John 4:8; 16. In understanding Him as Love everything else can be seen much clearer I would say. Also if Love, in these two verses are, as you say adjectives, then it's worded incorrectly.

//Here is my problem.

1) You claim that our Lord is God's literal Son. The ONLY way for this to happen is if he was "begotten" of his Father.   There is no other way.//

The problem is your view of the whole thing bro. Yes Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God, as I have stated over and over again. Above is the meaning of begat. And what this means is that Love is not a singular but plural.

All this has to do, like I've said before, the keyword Love, if you do not understand this then you do not understand the Trinity.  
I think Athenagoras explains this much better than I could. This was written in 177 AD,
"The Son of God is the Word of the Father in thought and actuality. By him and through him all things were made, the Father and the Son being one. Since the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son by the unity and power of the Spirit, the Mind and Word of the Father is the Son of God. And if, in your exceedingly great wisdom, it occurs to you to inquire what is meant by "the Son," I will tell you briefly: He is the first-begotten of the Father, not as having been produced, for from the beginning God had the Word in himself, God being eternal mind and eternally rational, but as coming forth to be the model and energizing force of all material things."

What he is saying here is rather clear. While Jesus is the begotten Son of God, Jesus was never created which means He is eternally God.

//2) You also claim he existed the same time as the Father. If that was the case, he can't be "begotten" of his Father.  There was no need for scriptures to even mention "begotten". If you change the meaning of "begotten" to say "causes to be", please explain what that means.  Why describe the 2nd person differently from the first if the 2nd person existed same time as the first?

Is either 1 or 2? There is no 3rd option where you can say is BOTH.//

I have already explained begotten above.

The problem is you are hung up on one word in one verse. Instead, when we take the whole of evidence, we see that Jesus shares the same nature as The Father. This is a unique begetting that remains a mystery to us. We know it cannot be as we understand begetting since that would infer that The Father pre-existed The Son.

"I and the father are one" John 10:30

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 28:19

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." 2 Corinthians 13:14

//The ONENESS of God.
Our understanding of God needs to be adjusted.
We need to think outside the box./

Why does it need to be adjusted? If there was reason for there to believe that there existed multiple Gods then this would be a reasonable request however, there is no reason for this belief. As quoted before, Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30). They are not two different Gods or even two different natures but one God and one nature that are two different persons, with the third (hence Trinity) being the Holy Spirit. If, for instance, we are to say that these are multiple Gods, as your adjustment would require, then two of the Trinity would be lacking in some sort.

Are they lacking in anyway?

The explanation here is if the Father is A and the Son is B then there must be something that one of them lacks in order for them not to be the same. Something must be distinctly different. We aren't talking about Christ's humanity here but His divinity.

What did either of them lack in order for this distinction to be made?

//We know there is only one supreme DIVINE NATURE, so let’s call this NATURE A. Just suppose there was another supreme Nature existing INDEPENDENTLY from Nature A and perhaps having a different kind
of nature. If such a nature existed, we can call it B and we can rightly say there would be TWO GODS as there will be TWO DIVINE NATURES A and B. However, we know from scriptures that B never existed, therefore there is only ONE GOD, ONE NATURE A.//
In which The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit all share in. Nothing here refutes the Trinitarian thinking of the Catholic Church as passed through the centuries.

//So what do we make of Jesus? The Bible clearly states that Jesus is God’s only begotten SON. His firstborn. Therefore, he was NOT CREATED out of nothing which was what Arius taught i.e. The Father spoke something like this, "Let there be a Son" and Jesus was created out of nothing. Arius had GOOD INTENTION. He wanted to solve the oneness of God by just making the Father as God and taking our Lord out of the equation, denying his divinity. The problem with his idea is that if our Lord was created out of nothing, he can't have his Father's nature. He could have a similar nature but then he would NOT TRULY BE ALMIGHTY GOD'S SON but rather adopted. This nature of his would not be eternal since it was created. This was rightly REJECTED by the church at the Council of Nicea who then formulated the Nicene Creed of 325AD.
I suggest you study Arius a bit more if you believe he was well intentioned. In fact, you are following well in his footsteps though I do not doubt you are well intentioned.

Yes Arius wanted to MAKE the Father as God alone. The problem is he would have to make up this doctrine. There is no historical reason to believe this doctrine of men.

You go on and agree with the council yet it appears as if you do not agree with the council since you want to "adjust" god's oneness.

What is your solution?

325 AD

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

381 AD

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;


//My belief is this. Nature A (Almighty God\Father) generated
from within a Son from his OWN NATURE in eternity so the Son also has NATURE A. He doesn’t have a similar NATURE TO A. He actually has NATURE A, hence the term only begotten Son, firstborn (Heb 1:5). This action of "begotten" initiated TIME\BEGINNING and we have John 1:1 Since there is only still ONE NATURE A, there is only ONE GOD. This is why Jesus is God’s only begotten Son. His literal or natural SON. When we say we believe in ONE GOD, we are saying or should be thinking we BELIEVE THERE IS ONLY THIS ONE SUPREME DIVINE NATURE which we call God. There is NO OTHER NATURE. It just happens that our heavenly Father has this divine nature and his Son has HIS (Father's) divine nature too. NATURE A. ONE NATURE//
If both The Father and The Son are of the same nature A then they are the same nature, in which case they are the same, they are one.

We believe in one God because there is only one God. If 2 beings have this same nature then they are one in the same sense.

This is just as humanity is, there is only One human Nature. Just as with Angels who do not have a human nature or dogs that do not have the human nature nor cats that do not have the human nature, each and everyone of these creatures all have their own one nature.

//The problem is this. Catholics\Protestants won't  even consider this even if they want to.  The decision has already been made and is deemed infallible.  Augustine's work on the Trinity settled the doctrine of the Trinity.  The Trinity doctrine was finally defined properly around 420-450AD.  All three existed same time and are co-equal.  Literal Son had to go.  Many will claim it in passing.  They would like to think they believe in it but the reality is, if you believe all three exist same time and are co-equal, then there is no literal Son.  We had demoted the Father and elevated his Son to make them co-equal and in the process, we humans are now telling him that he HAS NO SON!//

Catholics/Protestants won't consider this because it is the truth, not a made up fiction as you are purporting. If, as it has been, the Catholic Church has deemed, deemed is a poor word instead it should be found, that this teaching is infallible, we have to ask the next question. Can the Church be wrong? If we answer this as no then we cease to be Catholics and instead are Protestants. If the answer is no then the case is closed and we do not need to consider this issue further.

Literal Son is something that was never taught, either in the Bible or in Tradition so this has no real bearing on the case. There is no demotion or promotion in this case. This is what is called a straw man argument.

//Many will say there is no real Father and Son relationship like we humans have.  We should not think of God like human relationship.  This is a wrong way of looking at it. We got it backward. The relationship first started ABOVE.  Our Lord who created the world, used his own experience with his Father, to give mankind a similar higher relationship.//
This relationship that you deny, that it is not like a human relationship, is actually quite apparent. We don't know everything about each other at every given time. This alone makes the relationship unlike we as humans experience. Even if we speak in terms of love, it is impossible to compare our human relationships with God's as we do not perfectly love as they do. A denial of either of these points then brings us to the conclusion that God therefore is not omnipotent. I am not willing to go there since He is in fact omnipotent.

//The Father has his divine nature, the heart (core) of his nature is his Holy Spirit (not talking about the Paraclete) which gives him his personality, who he is as a person, life to his divine nature and his almighty power.  During the "generation process"  (eternal generation of the Son), he had to share his Holy Spirit with to his Son. The Son has his divine nature and his own Holy Spirit giving him his unique personality.  When God through his Son made mankind in his image, mankind too has a  human nature and a spirit which gives the personhood.  Through this shared Holy Spirit, our Lord rightly said, he is in the Father and the Father is in him. They are always connected.  They both are Alpha and the Omega because of their eternal divine nature.//

The problem is now you deny the Council of Nicea since you are splitting one being into two. The council uses the term homoousion which means the same being, in other words of the same nature. Again we have to ask as to whether the Council can err. If the answer is yes, we cease to be Catholic, if the answer is no then what you propose cannot be true.

What is your answer? Yes or No?

//Matthew Treviño No is not. Heresy is when you say the Son is equal to the Father. When you deny a literal Father and Son relationship. If I am wrong, then Justin, Tertullian and Athanasius were all wrong when they said our Lord was born of God, his Father.//

No, the heresy is rejecting the teaching of the Church. Even if those Church Fathers denied the equality of the Father and the Son, which they did not, this does not make your proposition true.

There is also a difference between the meaning of equality. If you mean that Justin, Tertullian and Athanasius denied that The Father and The Son were equal in eternity, nature or status then we must count their teaching on this occasion as heretical. Now what we can do is say that The Father is the first among equals since the Son and Holy Spirit do His will and glorify Him. This is exactly as Justin taught in his First Apology:

"We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein."

Tertullian completely disagrees with you and says they are the same being and drawing from the same power:

"And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
Against Praxeas 2

Sunday, July 16, 2017

Holy Trinity III

The Most Holy Trinity III



This is my response to a link I came upon a few months ago that I felt must be answered by a Catholic. I am not an expert on this at all, but I am going to do my best to answer all 60 Questions these Oneness Pentecostals have shared. My sources are the KJV and my RSV-CE NT study Bible and Jimmy Akin who answered a question I had trouble answering myself. Green is Oneness Pentecostals, purple Catholic, red is Scripture and blue is Jimmy Akin and my RSV-CE NT study Bible.

60 Questions About The Godhead

Read the answers to sixty questions concerning the Godhead as found in the Bible.

1. Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.
Catholic respond, this is True that the word Trinity is not in Scripture, but neither is the word Bible seen in Scripture.

2. Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.
Catholic respond, While it is True that the Bible does not say that there are Three persons in the Godhead, it does show us Three distinct persons.
The Person of the Father; Matthew 5:45; 6:6-9;7:11; Eph 3:14-15; Rev 21:7.
The Person of the Son; Mt 2:15; 3:17; 4:3,6; 8:29; 11:27; 16:16; 26:63; 27:43,54; Mk1:1,11; 3:11; Lk 1:35; Jn 3:16; Rom 1:4; 2 Cor 1:19; Heb 4:14; 1 Jn 4:15; Rev 2:18.
The Person of the Holy Spirit; Acts 5:3,32; Rom 8:27; Eph 4:30.
3. Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.
Yes.

4. Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.

Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciple of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ..." What we have here in Matthew’s Gospel is Three distinct Persons and not roles nor offices. I will go into the meaning of person a later time. Matthew 28: 19 reveals two things, the Unity of God’s inner life and the Oneness of His Nature. Yes, it is True that this verse does not show us separation in the Godhead because if there was, there would be a different problem but this is for another time. When Catholics see this verse, we see distinction and not separation. In saying distinction we see the difference or contrast between similar coequal Persons of the Trinity in a relationship of Love. If their was no distinction within the Trinity then He would not be Love. Without distinction then there is NO relationship.

5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, “These three are one.”

Yes we agree, this verse in 1 John 5:7 shows us the clear distinction between the Trinity. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (who is the Son as seen in John1:1), and the Holy Spirit: and these Three are one.

6.Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.

We agree with these verses and add that these do not stand alone.

7. Can the mystery of the Godhead be understood? Yes. Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.

Not in His fullness. We believe that humanity can come to an understanding of God, but we also understand that He will not be fully understood, Psalm 145:3  “Great is the LORD and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unreachable.

8. Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes. Matthew 23:9.

Yes.

9. Then why did Jesus say to Philip, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9)? Because Jesus is the express image of God’s person. Hebrews 1:3. The Greek word for person in this verse literally means “substance.”
We do not deny this at all. With the Trinity, the substance of the Nature of God is the Divine Nature. So God’s substance is One Divine Being/Nature/Essence/Substance and with this One Divine being of God there are Three Persons, who are Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Thus when we read John 14: 9, “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet, hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, shew us the Father?”, we see the relationship of how the Son does everything like the Father does. So when we as Christians see this verse we see the image of the invisible God (God the Father) in Christ as we are to be seen by others that see us, we see this in John 17.
The Greek word used as personin indicates the Divine Nature/Being/Substance/Essence of God.  So again, the Trinity does not deny this at all because God’s Nature is One. He is the One Divine Love.
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10. Does the Bible say that there are two persons in the Godhead? No.
True the Bible does not say it but it is revealed and thus seen within Scripture. Both Scripture and Tradition shows us not two person, but Three Persons as shown in question reply number 2.

11. Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person? Yes, in Jesus Christ. II Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:19; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3.
2 Cor 4:4, “…In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Here we do not see the Bible saying there is one person in the Trinity. What is seen here is the same thing we see in question number 9.
Collapsed 1:19, “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell,”
Here we see the divinity of Jesus Christ and we also see the distinctions between the Father and the Son. Yes all the fullness dwells in Christ because of His Divine Nature. He is not a separate being nor separate persons.
Heb 1:3, “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of this person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (KJV)
I believe the (RSV-CE) translation this best,
He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, uphold the universe by his word of power. When  he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majority on high,
In the Latin the word used is substantiæ which is translated to being/Substance/Essence/Nature not person. All English Bible but the Webster Bible and King James have the right translation.
Either way when we read the KJB in context this verse is speaking of the Person of Jesus and it shows the distinctions between Jesus and the Majority on high.

12. Is the mystery of the Deity hidden from some people? Yes. Luke 10:21-22.

Yes, it is True that it is hidden from some people, this is because they don’t want to see the Truth. God does not stay hidden to those who ask Him, it is men that put God into hiding and thus God allows it to happen. Jesus says in Matthew 7:7; 21:22; Luke 11:9.
Mt 7:7, “ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Mt 21:22, “and all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believe ye shall receive,”
Lk 11:9, “and I say unto you, ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Now this does not mean we will fully understand God because our finite mind can not fully understand and infinite God.

13. Who is the Father? The Father is the one God, particularly as revealed in parental relationship to humanity. Deuteronomy 32:6; Malachi 2:10.
The Father is the first Person of the Holy Trinity. Yes He is Father to us because He created us. He is also Father to us through the relationship of the Son, Jesus Christ. So the Fatherhood of God is one that shows us a parental relationship. The Fatherhood of God shows us one direction of the Holy Trinity. It also shows us the relationship factor of the Trinity, because without it, the Love of God can not be seen.

14. Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent.

While it is True that God is omnipresent, this doctrine of the Oneness is breaking apart a True relationship of Love between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Without distinction of Persons in the Trinity then there is NO True Love at all, because there needs to be a relationship/communion to better understand Scripture and God as who He is, Love Himself.
God omnipresent is present in all things by essence, knowledge, and power, it is the presence of a cause in the things that share in God’s goodness. In John’s Gospel we read in Book 14 verse 10, that God the Father dwells within the Son as He should within us as well. In this beautiful relationship between the Father and the Son we see how we should act as Jesus Christ acts in verse (10). He shows us How we should be submissive to the authority of the Father. Just before verse 10 in 9 we see that Jesus Christ shows us the works of the Father. Which is one thing that all Christians need to imitate with our life’s. In these two verses, 9 and 10 we see also the Oneness of the Divine Nature of God the Father, the Son relationship. Again without distinction between the Persons of the Trinity there is then NO True relationship. 2 Cor 5:19, we read from verse 18 how the relationship between God the Father and the Son are. These verses show the distinctions between two Persons of the Holy Trinity. Question 9 also answers this question.

John 14:9-10, “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?   Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing His works.

2 Cor 5:18-19, “And all this is from God (God the Father), who has reconciled us to himself through Christ (the Son) and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

15. Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16.

Isaiah 9:6 applies in the Original and most literal sense to the ancient Hebrew king. It is applied to the Messiah in a secondary sense, and Jesus is to be understood to be a father to his people in the same way a king was. Just as a Hebrew king was not God the Father, neither is Jesus God the Father. Is 63:16 does not identify Jesus with the Father. It identifies God with the Father  (which may be taken as reference to God the Father), but note that if 15. describes God as “our Redeemer from of old. “That is: The God who has redeemed us in the past. God often redeemed Israel from danger and trouble. This is a backward-pointing reference, not a reference that points forward to the cross. Thus Jesus future redemption is not in view and Jesus is not identified as the same person as God the Father here.” Jimmy Akin, I asked him for help he is a senior apologist from Catholic Answers.

So in Isaiah 9:6 it is prophecy of Jesus Christ as ruler and thus “father” of the people of God. Isaiah 63:16 is particularly speaking of God as Father and not of Jesus Christ, at all. These two verses need to be kept in its context of both History and Scripture as a Whole.

16. When God said, “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10.

Of course not, He is not speaking to another person, but this verse is showing us a plural within the Trinity.
Isaiah 44:24, “Thus says the Lord , your redeemer, who formed you from the womb: I am the Lord , who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, I spread out the earth by myself.
This verse is clear that God redeemed His people and the He formed us in the womb. He is the maker of all things and so on. Trinitarians see this verse as speaking of God which we do not deny. The same thing with Malachi 2:10, “Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why, then, do we break faith with each other, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?
This verse speaks of God who created us.

17. How many of God’s qualities were in Christ? All. Colossians 2:9.

Yes, as Trinitarians we believe this to be so because of the Divine Nature of Jesus Christ.

18. How may we see the God who sent Jesus into the world? By seeing Jesus. John 12:44-45; 14:9.

Again as Catholics and Trinitarians we do not deny this at all. What Oneness Pentecostals and others that believe in the Unitarian God fails to see the distinctions between God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This is a relationship not a role play of just one person, but of Three Persons who is the One God of Scripture. A single person can not show us this relationship of what True Love is.

19. Does the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty? Yes. Revelation 1:8.

Yes, this is True.

20. Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father.

Yes, this is True.

21. Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18.

Yes, it is True that the Holy Spirit is the “last person” of the Holy Trinity as are the Father and the Son. It is in their Divine Nature, He is the First and the Last.

22. How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven? One. Revelation 4:2.

While it is True Revelation 4:2 speaks of one on the throne it does not say, person either. Again Catholics see God as one thus yes One throne and at the right hand of God the Father is Jesus Christ, Luke 22:69; Mark 16:19; Hebrews 1:3.
Luke 22:69, “But from this time on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God.
Mark 16:19, “So then the Lord Jesus, after he spoke to them, was taken up into heaven and took his seat at the right hand of God.
Hebrews 1:3, “who is the refulgence of his glory, the very imprint of his being, and who sustains all things by his mighty word. When he had accomplished purification from sins, he took his seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

23. If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate.
Jesus Christ is not God the Father in the Old Testament. It is the Father who is a distinct Person in the Trinity. 
Isaiah 44,6, “Thus says the Lord , Israel’s king, it's redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the first, I am the last; there is no God but me.” 

24. Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10.

Yes this is True.
Matthew 4:10, “At this, Jesus said to him, “Get away, Satan! It is written: ‘The Lord, your God, shall you worship and him alone shall you serve.’
But again we see Jesus Christ is speaking of the Lord Our God, so here again we must remember  there are two distinctions. This verse also does not stand alone, thus this verse does not mean what Oneness Pentecostals are meaning to say.

25. Does the devil believe in more than one God? No. James 2:19.
First, this verse speaks of demons which means not just the devil himself believe in God. Secondly, even the demons together with the devil see or know of the Son of God.
Matthew 8:29, “They cried out, “What have you to do with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the appointed time?
So yes, the devil and demons believe in the One God, yet they see distinctions between the Father and the Son.

26. Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14.
Yes we agree, let us look closely at John’s Gospel verse 14, “And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.
So again yes, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

27. For what purpose was God manifested in the flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9, 14.

Yes, we agree that God was manifested in the flesh, but it was not God the Father. It was the Son that came to us.  He did not just come to save us from sin but to also show us the Truth and the Way we are to live our lives in relation to our Loved ones.
Hebrews 2:9,14, “but we do see Jesus “crowned with glory and honor” because he (Jesus Christ)  suffered death, he (Jesus Christ) who “for a little while” was made “lower than the angels,” that by the grace of God (the Father)  he (Jesus Christ)  might taste death for everyone. 14 Now since the children share in blood and flesh, he (Jesus Christ)  likewise shared in them, that through death he (Jesus Christ)  might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
We see distinction between the Father and the Son not some kind of role play.

28. Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh? Yes. I Timothy 3:16.

Yes, it is True that Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh. He is God manifested in the flesh, but we need to know that it was not God the Father. There are again distinctions that must be seen between God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This verse in 1 Timothy 3:16, is only speaking of the Son, who is the 2nd person of the most Holy Trinity that came into the flesh .

29. Could Jesus have been on earth and in heaven at the same time? Yes. John 3:13.

Yes and no, if we read in Context from John 3:6-13, one can better understand verse 13, because verse 13 is not saying Jesus is both in heaven and on earth at the same time.
John 3:13“, No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man.” Verse 6, “What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
3:6 flesh… Spirit: a significant contrast in John. Flesh represents all that is natural, earthly and human, which spirit signifies all that is supernatural, heavenly and divine. The distance once separating these realms has been bridged by Jesus Christ, whose flesh (1:14) is an instrument that  conveys the life and Spirit of God the world  (Jn 5:21; 6:51-53; 20:22).
Notes from my study Bible RSVCE page 166.)
I see this verse together make sense. In this way Christ in the Spirit is of heaven, as well all Christians should be if we call ourselves Christians, and physically Jesus Christ the Son of God was here on earth. Verse 13 is showing us the Divine Nature of the Son of God. Please take note of how it is stated, “No one has ascended into heaven” future tense “He who descended from heaven” past tense. When He ascends into heaven He is now the bridge, the mediator between men and God, 1 Timothy 2:5.

30. Does the Bible say that there is but one Lord? Yes. Isaiah 45:18; Ephesians 4:5.

Yes, this is so, but Jesus’ writers make distinctions between them in the OT and NT. God is known as Lord in the OT and Jesus Christ in the NT.

31. Does the Bible say that Christ is the Lord? Yes. Luke 2:11.
Yes, this is True.

32. Does the Bible say that the Lord is God? Yes. I kings 18:39; Zechariah 14:5; Acts 2:39; Revelation 19:1.

Both Jesus Christ and the Father are LORD, but the Father is not the Son nor the Son is the Father. There is and must be distinctions between God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be able to see the relationship of what Love is Truly about. If God is one person as taught by Oneness Pentecostals, Unitarians and those that do not understand the Trinity, then we see no True relationship of Love and thus don’t know the True God, because as Christians know, God is Love 1 John 4:8.
As for Acts 2:39 just before this week see in verse 36, “Therefore let the whole house of Israel know for certain that God (God the Father) has made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom you crucified.
St. Luke makes a distinction here as we see God the Father who made Jesus the Christ.

33. How could the church belong to Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God (I Corinthians 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh.
The Church belongs to the Son as much as it belongs to the Father and the Holy Spirit. For it is said that all that the Father has is of the Son, “The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him.
It was Jesus Christ who established the Church and it is the Holy Spirit who guides Her, after the Father and Son send forth the Spirit of counseling John 14:16,17, “And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” Now here we see distinction very clearly between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and How God’s relationship works. We also see how the Spirit was given to the Church as a Whole… “for he dwells with you (the Church as whole) and will be in you  (individually). The Holy Spirit works in gathering God’s people into One Body as a Whole we are strong, individually we are weak.

34. Will God give His glory to another? No. Isaiah 42:8.
It is True that God is One in that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do not share the Glory of God because He is glorified as One. We see this in John’s Gospel 17:5, “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” What a beautiful verse we see here! We see the Person of Jesus Christ clearly putting distinctions between Himself  and His Father. We also see the Oneness of God as well. We have to keep in mind that God’s Oneness is in His nature and not as a person. All Three Persons possess totally the Nature of God’s Divinity. Which means the Three Persons are distinct, but not separate and they do not share the Divine Nature, but each possess it totally. The Father hold/possesses the whole nature of God as His own, the Son holds/possesses the whole nature of God as His own,  and the Holy Spirit holds/possesses the whole nature of God as His own.


35. Was there a God formed before Jehovah, or will there be one formed after? No. Isaiah 43:10.

Those that believe in the Holy Trinity Hold and believe that God is One and that there was before nor will there ever be one after.

36. What is one thing that God does not know? Another God. Isaiah 44:8.

While this is True, the  Person of Jesus Christ does not “know” the end of days. In saying this it does not mean He Truly does not know. We must keep in mind that there is distinctions between God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Remember, no separation at all. We as Trinitarians need to always keep in mind, Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% human, therefore in His humility He, Jesus, is able to, and does, grow in knowledge and wisdom that pertains to His humility. So to address about Him and “not knowing” about the “end of days” we see Himself limiting His answer to what He knows as human, because it is not for humanity to know these things.
The only thing that we humans know is that, we must be ready at all times, because He will come like a thief in the night, Matthew 24:42-44; Revelation 16:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10, and should be  prepared at all times because individually  the end will come for you. As St. Augustine said once, “It was no part of His teaching duty to make it [the day of general judgment] known to us.” We see this in Scripture, John 5:19; 12:49; 12: 5o; 14: 10; 14:31. These verses shows us that there is clear distinction between the Father and the Son.

37.  What is one thing that God Cannot do? Lie. Titus 1:2.

Yes, this is True and I’ll add that He will not mess with anyone’s freewill. Deuteronomy 30:19; Joshua 24:15; Proverbs 3:31; James 4:17.

38. How many Gods should we know? Only one. Hosea 13:4.

Amen!!! We as Trinitarians do not deny this AT ALL! This corrosion the most Holy Trinity.

39. How many names has the Lord? One. Zechariah 14:9.

Amen!!! He is the Great I AM!!! Trinitarians do not deny this at all! This is the core of the Most Holy Trinity.

40. Is it good to think upon the name of the Lord? Yes. Malachi 3:16.

Yes and Catholics take His name every time we say, in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and we also bless ourselves with the Holy Trinity the Great, I AM.

41. Does the Bible say that God alone treads upon the waves of the sea? Yes. Job 9:8

In Genius 1:2 we see, “…And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” A clear indication of distinction. You can see this in Matthew 14: 25, “And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.” So we see two distinctions of the Holy Trinity in these two verses, they are not and can not be the same person.

42. Why, then, was Jesus able to walk upon the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 14:25)? Because He is God the Creator. Colossians 1:16.

Then I guess St. Peter is God as well because he to walked on water (Matthew 14:29). Yes it is True Jesus Christ is God. Through the Word of God everything was created. We do see a distinction here as well. Also Colossians 1: 15-23, “who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist: and he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say , whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.  And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight: if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” is speaking of the Person of Jesus Christ and His work.

43. Is God the only one who can forgive sin? Yes. Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7.
44. Why, then, could Jesus forgive sin in Mark 2:5-11? Because He is God the Savior.

To both of these questions numbers 43 and 44, it is True that only God can forgive sin. Jesus Christ because He is God and the Son of God, He to can forgive sin. It is through His Divinity that He has the power to forgive sin. Thus this power to forgive sin is not only seen in God but also in the Apostles and their successors. God’s Authority to forgive and retain sin is given to them and we can see this in Matthew 28:18, “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” And in John 20:21-23, “Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them , and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.” Jesus not the Father does as the Father did to Him and gave authority to His Apostles and their successors to forgive and retain sin.

45. Is Jesus the true God? Yes. I John 5:20.

Amen this is True!!! But He is not God the Father nor is He God the Holy Spirit. Let us look at 1 John 5:20, “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” Take note how the writer puts distinctions, “the Son of God” and “his Son Jesus Christ”.  With the way this is worded we see a clear relationship of the Godhead as the Trinity is taught.

46. If God and the Holy Ghost are two separate persons, which was the Father of Christ? Matthew 1:20 says that the Holy Ghost was the Father, while Romans 15:6, II Corinthians 11:31, and Ephesians 1:3 say that God was the Father. There is no contradiction when we realize that God the Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same Spirit. Matthew 10:20; Ephesians 4:4; I Corinthians 3:16.
Again in the Teaching of the Holy Trinity there is no separation of Persons within God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, only distinctions. It can be said that Jesus’ Father is both God the Father and the Holy Spirit, but only because the Holy Spirit is the “spouse” of Our Blessed Mother.

In Matthew’s Gospel the writer does show us distinction, in verse 18 we read, “…she was found with child, of the Holy Spirit.”. And in verse 20 we read, “… is of the Holy Spirit.” The writer does not say, of God the Father, no he puts the distinction of the Holy Spirit, which is important to see the relationship.

In Romans, 2 Corinthians and Ephesians yes it speaks of God the Father and we as Catholics do not deny this in the Teaching of the Holy Trinity. In Romans 5:56, we are taught that we are to be one in mind and to speak in One voice. It also shows us again distinctions between God the Father and the Son, “… glorify God the Father (1st person) of our Lord Jesus Christ (2nd person).

47. When Paul asked the Lord who He was, what was the answer? “I am Jesus.” Acts 9:5.

Yes, Jesus says, “I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.” We must note how distinct this verse is, he does not say, “I am God the Father, nor the Holy Spirit, nor I am God, none of these only “I am Jesus”. We must keep in mind, we did not put God the Father nor the Holy Spirit on the cross, it was only Jesus Christ who was crucified.

48. When Stephen was dying, did he call God Jesus? Yes. Acts 7:59.

Amen!!! The Trinity does not deny this at all.

49. Did Thomas ever call Jesus God? Yes. John 20:28.

Just before this verse, verse 21 Jesus Himself say, “peace be unto you: as the Father hath sent me, even so send I you.” and even after verse 28 we read in verse 31, “…that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;…” the writer show us distinctions.

50. How could Jesus be the Savior, when God the Father said in Isaiah 43:11, “Beside me there is no Savior?” Because “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself.” II Corinthians 5:19.

Again we must always keep in mind two things;
  1. All three Persons of the Holy Trinity have always been and will always be. There was never a time that Jesus did not exist nor the Holy Spirit. Together they always were and will always be.
  2. Because they are distinction within the Trinity, we must know that all Three Persons participate in the Divine action outside of the Holy Trinity, meaning everything in creation  (as opposed to relations among the three uncreated Persons), they act as One in everything that is done.

The Incarnation
The Father willed the Son the Incarnation, the Son obeyed the Father and became man and dwelt amongst us. The Holy Spirit overshadowed Our Blessed Mother with the result of Her becoming pregnant with the Son.
Salvation
Out of Love the Father sent forth His only begotten Son, after humanity had failed over and over again,  and thus through the Incarnation of the Son, He conquered death and gave ALL humanity a chance to everlasting life, and through the Holy Spirit we are guided as a Church towards salvation.

So it is True, it is God who is the only Savior of mankind, but God is not one person,  but Three Persons in One Divine Nature. If He was only One person then we would not Truly have a Love relationship. Again without distinctions one then does not  see the self giving Love relationship of what Love is Truly.

Love is not just selfless/selfish Love, but a self given/sacrificial Love, this is known in Greek as Agape Love.

51. Does the Bible say that Jesus was God with us? Yes. Matthew 1:23.

Trinitarians do not deny this at all,  Jesus Christ is God, but He is NOT God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit. He is the Son, who is the second Person of the Holy Trinity.

52. Did Jesus ever say, “I and my Father are one?” Yes. John 10:30.

Yes! The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are One. The Father and the Son are united in the Loving embrace of the Holy Spirit. Therefore we can not divide the essential Unity of the Holy Trinity when distinguishing between the Three Divine Persons who are Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One Divine Nature/Being in a everlasting Loving communion, because this is what Love is and God is Love as seen in 1 John 4:8. John 10:30 is showing us Jesus’ Divinity, He is Divine who is God.

53. Can it be proved scripturally that Jesus and the Father are one in the same sense that husband and wife are one? No. The Godhead was never compared to the relationship of a husband and wife. Jesus identified Himself with the Father in a way that husband and wife cannot be identified with each other. John 14:9-11.

This is True, God has not ever been compared to a relationship of Husband and wife, but a husband and wife can be compared to Him. So it's the other way around.

A relationship between husband and wife is an image of Love, and well, God who is Love Himself (1st John 4:8) shows us Love in the most Perfect way. The Holy Trinity is a communion of True Love and with out distinctions we then have no Love.

As 1 John 4:8 says, “Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.

Now I see it this way, the husband loves his wife and wife loves her husband and out of this Love, they become One and from them comes a third person. This image is one that we can seeing the most Holy Trinity.

54. Does the Bible say that there is only one wise God? Yes. Jude 25.

Yes this is True, and I would add Romans 16:27, “to the only wise God (The Father) through Jesus Christ (The Son) be glory forever and ever. Amen.” Please take note at the distinctions between God the Father and God the Son.

55. Does the Bible call the Holy Ghost a second or third person in the Godhead? No. The Holy Ghost is the one Spirit of God, the one God Himself at work in our lives. John 4:24; I Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; 12:13.

Well just because it does not explicitly say the Holy Spirit is the second  or third person of the Holy Trinity one can still see the distinctions which we can see the Holy Spirit as the 3rd Person. He is the 3rd Person of the most Holy Trinity because He was sent by the Father and the Son as seen in John 14:26 and 15:26,

John 14:26 KJV, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 KJV, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I (Jesus Christ) will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he (Holy Spirit) shall testify of me:
These two verses are very Trinitarian and shows us a clear distinction between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. It also shows us the relationship they have. Another verse that shows us the order is Matthew 28:19, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father (1st Person), and of the Son (2nd Person), and of the Holy Ghost (3rd Person):”

56. Can Trinitarians show that three divine persons were present when Jesus was baptized by John? Absolutely not. The one, omnipresent God used three simultaneous manifestations. Only one divine person was present–Jesus Christ the Lord.

Yes it Absolutely does! What is seen in the Baptism of Jesus Christ is Three distinct simultaneous Persons of the Holy Trinity. The idea of it being Jesus Christ alone as one Person is wrong because if that was so, the Baptism of the Lord, the people that were there, would not have “seen” and “heard” the Three distinct  manifestations of God. According to St. Matthew, there was 3 distinct things that are seen, Jesus Christ, the Dove and the Voice of God was heard saying, “This is my beloved Son,…“ it is all about a communal relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
How can anyone see Three “manifestations” if, according to Oneness Pentecostals teaching, only one person exists in God? You can not. Three manifestations can only be seen and understood when there IS distinctions.

57. Then what were the other two of whom Trinitarians speak? One was a voice from heaven; the other was the Spirit of God in the form of a dove. Matthew 3:16-17.

Yes, Three distinct Persons. The Holy Spirit was above, our Lord Jesus Christ, and we hear the Voice of God from the Heaven.

58. What did the voice say at Jesus’ baptism? “Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Mark 1:11. As the Son of God, Jesus was the one God incarnate.

How can one say, “Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Without having any distinctions? In this verse alone we see clear distinction, “my beloved Son” is one, the other is, “I”. My and I is ONE distinction and beloved Son is another distinction.

59. Does the Bible say that God shed His blood and that God laid down His life for us? Yes. Acts 20:28; I John 3:16. God was able to do this because He had taken upon Himself a human body.

Yes, Catholics believe this to be True, but it was not God the Father whom did this, but the Son, Jesus Christ. It was Jesus that shed His blood and laid down His life for us.
Acts 20:28, “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Here in acts 20:28 we see distinctions. We see the Holy Spirit, God the Father and the Son. The Son is His Father's blood thus God does shed His blood through His Son.

Yes, John 3:16 states that God laid down His life for us, but when read in context as a Whole, we see the Trinity. 1 John,  38 “… for this purpose the Son of God was manifested,…” and 1 John 3:24, “…, by the Spirit which He hath given us.” Three distinct Persons of the Holy Trinity as seen in 1 John 3 when read in full context as a Whole.


60. The Bible says that God is coming back with all his saints (Zechariah 14:5) and also that Jesus is coming back with all his saints (I Thessalonians 3:13). Are two coming back? No. Only one is coming back–our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13.

The second and final coming of God is the coming of Jesus Christ the Son of God the Father. We must keep in mind that the Holy Trinity is, Three distinct Persons in One Divine Nature whom is God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All Three distinct Persons cooperate in both the Incarnation and our Salvation. They are co-equal to one another and have been and will always be.

In the Book of Zechariah we see a prophecy of the second coming of Jesus Christ not prophecy of God the Father. We see this as well in Joel 3 and Jude 14. Zechariah 9-11 we see a lot of prophecies of the first coming of Jesus 60. Christ and are some specific details to it that ONLY Zechariah spoke about. Zechariah 19:9 which parallels Matthew 21:5-10 and 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and one can see clear distinctions between God the Father and the Son in both Matthew and 1 Thessalonians  “…before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus…”.